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Educationists' Elitism and Incentives

Written by johnleemk on 3:24:03 pm Apr 28, 2007.
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One remarkable thing about Malaysian schools is how they are segregated. No, not in that sense, although we do segregate our young by sending them to different schools, but in the sense that faculty and students do not share the same facilities.

Teachers and students may share the same classroom. But when it comes to fulfilling the basic needs of eating and excreting, teachers and students end up with remarkably different facilities.

In most (if not all) public schools, students and teachers use different toilets. Woe to the student which sets foot in the teachers' privy, for it is the teachers', and the teachers' alone.

Similarly, even though teachers and students dine in the same canteen, they are not subject to the same dining experience. While students queue for their food, I have rarely (if ever) seen a teacher in the line for buying food.

And while students sit down to dine in the crowded ambience of the noisy main canteen, the teachers typically have their own room all to themselves. What goes on in this room, and how the teachers eat, I cannot say; in all my years in school, this (together with the teachers' toilets) was the room I most feared to enter.

Of course, any attempt to desegregate the schools has been subject to much criticism from the teachers. Recently, it was suggested that the segregation of toilets end. This proposal was met with consternation by the National Union of the Teaching Profession, which viewed it as a mark of disrespect to teachers.

This segregation is considered normal by Malaysians; until I read of that proposal, I had even forgotten that it was remarkable at all. But I remember that my mother always found this segregation very strange.

In casual conversation one day, she mentioned she found it extremely odd that our teachers ate in a separate room. Being a Filipino, she was brought up in a very different school system, and considered it the norm for teachers to eat with students.

At the time, I thought this little egalitarian factoid was just that — a factoid. But after reflection, it seems to me that this segregation actually is rather detrimental to how our schools' facilities are run.

If teachers are not subject to the same system they subject our students to, if they do not understand how our students live, they cannot effectively run the schools. It's as simple as that.

But as long as they use artificially clean toilets, and artificially peaceful teachers' dining rooms, they cannot relate to the student experience at all. They cannot even relate to or socialise with their students, since they don't see them outside the classroom environment.

The result is a poorer educational experience for all. Students don't get the chance to form a strong rapport with the people who educate them, and at the same time, they are forced to undergo an experience that the teachers themselves are not willing to go through.

I remember that when I was in school, any efforts to reform the canteen or clean up the toilets were not liable to make much headway. At best, the teachers might mount a half-hearted toilet cleanliness campaign.

And why would they want to do anything more? Even though their job might be to impose discipline, they had no real incentive to do so. They were not going to have smell unflushed shit or walk past sanitary pad graffiti if their efforts to clean up the toilets failed.

That is why it is so important we desegregate our public schools in this sense, and make the learning experience a little more egalitarian. If our teachers are going to subject our students to something, they should be willing to subject themselves to it as well; at the very least, it would improve the social bonds between faculty and students, and at best, it would result in a better educational experience for all.


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i have the coolest school in the world...teachers who are highly trained..teach you all u nit tu know.......they don't pry into ur business...they don't catch u for writing stuff about your self in the internet not associated with them...they don't gantung the scouts for a small petician letter....they don't call u useless scouts....they never scold you for s***ty reasons...they never swoop ur camera away when ur not doing anyrhing with it ...they don't lecture u about what kinda mistakes they made choosing u as prefect...teachers there don't menopause at 14.....teachers there are frenly.....they also don have fat teachers lecturig u about how good the school is ...how much he has done for the prefect campp.....when he actually did nothing...they don have a fatass who flirts with the boss.......truly....i have a cool school.o yea one more thing...they don have a rule where u cant go tu mc d or centr point tu have a decent lunch,,,...they don wan u tu eat their delicious canteen food!!
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Reubinho
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Posted at 1:09:27 pm Jul 23, 2005
Don't u jus "luv" BU3...;)
johnleemk
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Posted at 1:11:22 pm Jul 23, 2005
I've been to five schools in my entire life, and BU3 is better than all of them combined! It has the quality teachers of..um...[insert prestigious school here] and the excellent facilities of [insert another prestigious school here]!
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Im surprised! :D
afirstmed
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Posted at 4:16:02 pm Apr 29, 2007
Teachers get paid a pittance, and get $hit from many students and their arrogant parents. They are expected to bring work home, beyond their school hours in the form of setting examination papers, marking books, handling events, etc. They are expected to be in school outside their designated working hours if they truly care about their students' co-curricular development.

"They cannot even relate to or socialise with their students, since they don't see them outside the classroom environment". But hello, do they not walk through the same corridors their students use? Do they not talk to their students when they meet them outside the classroom? I had no problems chatting about mundane topics (like further education) with my teachers when they had free time.

The least we can give them is a quiet place for them to have their food in peace and a clean lavatory for them to answer their calls of nature. Besides the example of the Philippines which you quoted, can you tell me in which other country students and teachers share the same toilet and dining facilities?

johnleemk
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Posted at 11:55:42 pm Apr 29, 2007
Two wrongs don't make a right. If that is the problem, pay teachers more and fix the culture that treats them like dirt - don't use it to justify segregating teachers.

You don't even need to look at other countries. Look at a college or university in our country itself. The lecturers use the same cafeteria, the same toilets. They don't have their own facilities. (Un)surprisingly, it's much easier to interact with people (including your teachers) in a setting like the cafeteria, rather than the hallway. Perhaps your school's hallways were different, but having a conversation in the corridor is not normally easy, nor is the staff room very conducive for casual talk.

The least we can give them is a quiet place for them to have their food in peace and a clean lavatory for them to answer their calls of nature.

As I said, if the teachers want to subject their students to a particular experience, they should be willing to undergo that same experience themselves. If the problem is that they are not paid enough, pay them more. (I've already said this a number of times in other articles because it's pretty d*** common knowledge that our teachers are overworked and underpaid.)

Why should teachers get clean toilets while students put up with s***-smeared cubicles? The point is to create an incentive for teachers to keep the students' toilets clean, because otherwise they too have to put up with the same lousy experience. How the teachers keep the toilets clean is a different question, but it will certainly give them greater impetus to tackle the problem.


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