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Special Racial Interest Groups and Government Funds

Written by johnleemk on 9:14:21 am May 16, 2005.
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Note: The following was adapted from a post to the malaysia-today.net May 2005 debate.

I do not for the life of me understand what is wrong with the separation of religion and state. It is not the same as suppressing Islam, nor is it the same as depriving Muslims the right to lead their lives the way they wish.

The fact is, it's absolutely impossible to find any developed nation in the world with religion so closely entwined with the government.

The fact is, there are things going on in the government that are suppressing the rights of non-Muslims as well as a few Muslims. For example, what is wrong with allowing a Muslim to convert? He will not be very happy if he is forced to stay a Muslim; more likely than not, he will only put on a veneer of holiness while silently venting his rage.

Likewise, why is the money of non-Muslim taxpayers being used to fund the building of mosques? Democracy exists for minorities to have a voice, not to bulldoze them with a tyranny of the majority. Forcing non-Muslims to give up their taxes so as to build religious buildings for only one particular religion is infringing on a fundamental right. Either use taxpayers' money to build houses of worship for all religions (so it's fair) or don't use it to build houses of worship at all.

If government money is not spent on building mosques, then will Muslims no longer have the right to lead the life they wish? I doubt it. After all, this is not a commandment banning the building of mosques at all.

Digressing a bit, it is for this same reason I believe vernacular schools should not be built and funded with government money. The right to be educated in the language of your choice does not mean you have the right to use taxes to fund your education. In developed countries, Chinese who want to learn in Chinese don't ask the government for help; they build and fund their own schools themselves.

Again, this whole thing boils down to one simple issue: whether or not the government should help any old special interest that comes along. Until we can eradicate the idea that we have a right to help from the government in anything we want, we can never become a first world country.I do not for the life of me understand what is wrong with the separation of religion and state. It is not the same as suppressing Islam, nor is it the same as depriving Muslims the right to lead their lives the way they wish.


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johnleemk
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Posted at 7:48:12 am Aug 10, 2005
Ali Sina is a guy who runs a website spewing anti-Muslim comments such as "Muslims do not possess conscience. Conscience has not evolved in them. The Golden Rule can only be understood by humans. Animals and Muslims do not understand it."

Sina is an ex-Muslim who has converted and seeks to assist Muslims who wish to convert out of their religion. For more, you can see his Wikipedia article.

Do you agree with him? Or do you think he is just someone with a really bad taste in his mouth after mixing with the wrong bunch of Muslims?
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johnleemk
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Posted at 10:31:49 am Sep 13, 2005
Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial_examined
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/
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Posted at 2:57:39 am Sep 14, 2005
HeilHitler,

U better reread some of Her Fuhrer's speeches where he castigate the german ppl to weed out the jews and xterminate them or risk being corrupted by their ideology. He did not have to physically sign the death warrant, he sowed the seed of hatrat and his minions did the job. I admit that Hitler was a passionate and inspiring orator but most of the speeches lack substance xcept to stir up nationalism at a time where the nation was in deep depression & wallowing in war debts and looking fr salvation. U know that he lacks interpersonal skills and didn't have close friends or relatives? His niece whom he loved very much commited suide to escape him and he used to whip his dog whom he claim to b his only friend & once saved his life? Due to being abused early in his life, his only xpression of love is thru strict control & punishment;

Go talk to some UMNOputras and they will also claim that the private sector are discriminating against malay employees by citing the employment ads stating that only mandrian speakers need to apply. Hence legitimizing their racist employment pratise in GLCs. But how many companies post such ads? Only the SMIs or minor trading companies catering to chinese market. Talk to the 80k unemployed grad. and most likely will also convinently claim to b discriminated by chinese companies who only employ non-malays.

Me think Karl Marx is the lesser of the 2 evils since he is not racist but only hate the rich:p
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Posted at 8:19:56 am Sep 14, 2005
there is much argument over the genocide. (will be colecting dato on it soon)

karl marx? because of his basic ideology millions have suffered indiretly most of the data will be from this site its reallly intresting. http://www.zundelsite.org/english/101/101toc.html it tries 2 prove that the holocoust was fiction and the official policy 2 the jews are relocation and nt mass murdur

.sry cant post long gtg work


johnleemk
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Posted at 11:39:18 am Sep 15, 2005
Karl Marx was an idiot. So were Lenin and Stalin (especially Stalin; it can be argued he killed more than Hitler, although we'll never know the complete tallies for either of their genocides). Hitler was just crazy. He completely f***ed the war up by refusing to heed his generals' advice, especially when it came to the Eastern front, when he refused to engage in strategic retreats, costing him precious men and equipment. So much for Aryan ingenuity.
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Posted at 9:25:35 am Sep 19, 2005
i agree hitler was an a** he is a politicle leader not a general by declaring war on the eastern front was plain stupid. if he hated the commies more he should made an alliance with briton and/or US if posibble

stalins kills were far higher because of his corupted men and poor control of the country.because of stalin soldiers (doing thier duties) r "sentenced" to labour (slave) they even made a movie bout a german who escaped a camp and slowly walkedback 2 germany through turkey or something (and other countries)


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