A Quick English Language Primer
Written by johnleemk on 4:34:24 am Jan 28, 2007.
Categories: Malaysian Politics
In the wake of my controversial argument that Abdullah's Comments Don't Interfere with the Judiciary's Independence, I have received a number of rebuttals that retread the same arguments against Abdullah. Here is one which I thought was the best and most clear, coming from Maverick SM:
John,
The law is the law and a law is a law. Under the doctrine of the separation of law, the executive shall not pose undue influence nor coercive force to impliedly direct the judiciary or to influence the judiciary's decision.
It is wrong for the prime minister to respond factually in his statement on Rocky and Jeff. He as the PM can make a general statement about the law and the consequences. But the statement he made was directed to the two person facing a trial, which in itself is the factual evidence of subjudice.
Added to the extra prints by the concerned papers such as NST and Berita Harian which had intentionally brought some persons to make comments at the time when the case was to be heard in the court is positive act of attempts to influence the court to direct the circumstances to procure a decision in their favour. It was clear prejudice and there was presence of motive - evil motive - by implication.
Under the rule of law and natural justice, the attempts and publication of circunstantial opinions will be construed accordingly.
It seems clear that there is contempt and whether the court would construe it is left to be seen.
You should understand that public opinion and moral support given to the two person is entirely a different matter. But when statements are directed to the accused and opinions on the case is made, then subjudice is upheld. What had transpired and stated by the "walk with us" blog was factual, nothing more, nothing less.
That's the law, irrespective.
I think that the crux of the disagreement here is that we cannot come to a common interpretation of Abdullah's remarks. A lot of bloggers believe Abdullah was specifically commenting about Rocky and Jeff when he referred to "bloggers", and furthermore that he was effectively calling them guilty by saying that bloggers are not above the law. I beg to differ - in my view, Abdullah was referring to all bloggers, and not just Rocky and Jeff, when he spoke of "bloggers", and that his remarks about the rule of law cannot be equated with an attempt to influence the court's decision.
To clear things up, let's look at Abdullah's comments, which I reprise in full here:
We do not censor the Internet and that’s our policy, but they (bloggers) must understand that there are also laws on defamation and sedition. These laws are enforced. They should bear in mind that they cannot hide and they cannot take advantage of doing something against the law. The law is the law. They cannot hide and hope to be protected under some kind of a cover or whatever they think that they have. And if you want freedom, what is freedom without responsibility? I don't agree with freedom without responsibility. Freedom without responsibility is anarchy. Actually, it is being irresponsible.
I think the most controversial part consists of the first five sentences or so, since nobody (I think) would disagree with the freedom and responsibility part. So, let's parse Abdullah's comment sentence-by-sentence.
We do not censor the Internet and that’s our policy, but they (bloggers) must understand that there are also laws on defamation and sedition.
Here, Abdullah uses the word "they". Without further context, it is difficult to understand what Abdullah is trying to convey - who is he referring to? The newspaper (which I believe is either The Star or the New Straits Times - I can't recall which one I got this from) helpfully provides context by inserting the word "bloggers" in parentheses.
Now, English lesson time. When I want to speak of a particular item using a general noun, I must prefix it with the particle "the". Otherwise, my meaning is unclear. Therefore, when I have been talking about stray dogs in my neighbourhood, I cannot call them just "dogs" - my meaning is unclear. I must refer to "the dogs". Compare the following two paragraphs:
There are many stray dogs in my neighbourhood. At night dogs bark and howl.
There are many stray dogs in my neighbourhood. At night the dogs bark and howl.
In the first instance, the second sentence is ambiguous - it could either refer specifically to my neighbourhood's dogs, or to all dogs in general. Adding the particle "the" clarifies my meaning.
So, in the same way, we must look at Abdullah's comments in context. Since the newspapers did not see it fit to print his opening remarks, we have to trust them that Abdullah was referring to "bloggers" instead of "the bloggers". So, what do you make of this? Was Abdullah referring to any specific bloggers, or to just bloggers in general? If his context had had any qualifiers added - e.g. "some bloggers" or "a few bloggers" or "many bloggers" instead of just "bloggers" - then clearly Abdullah would have been making an implicit reference to Jeff and Rocky. But if he was just speaking of "bloggers", then how can we say he was talking about Jeff and Rocky's case?
You may decide you can't trust The Star or the New Straits Times. That's up to you - I can see why you would not believe them, since they have a knack for publishing propaganda instead of real news. But in this case, why would they want to use "bloggers" instead of "the bloggers"? Surely the latter would have aided their anti-Jeff and Rocky case more, since it would have been a specific reference to them, instead of a general statement about "bloggers". I just can't see a motive for the mainstream newspapers to distort Abdullah's statement by expanding its scope from specific bloggers to bloggers in general, so, shaving with Occam's razor, the simplest answer is that they have not expanded the scope, and Abdullah's original remarks referred only to bloggers in general.
These laws are enforced. They should bear in mind that they cannot hide and they cannot take advantage of doing something against the law. The law is the law. They cannot hide and hope to be protected under some kind of a cover or whatever they think that they have.
Now, the question here is whether these comments constitute any sort of judgement on the bloggers. I would submit that since we have already established that Abdullah was speaking about "bloggers" in general, instead of "the bloggers" or "some bloggers", this cannot be a specific reference to Jeff or Rocky. Nevertheless, for the sake of the argument, let's presume that Abdullah was speaking about Jeff and Rocky.
Does that comment look to you like any sort of judgement about the case? No - all it says is that bloggers "cannot take advantage of doing something against the law" and that they "cannot hide and hope to be protected under some kind of a cover". That's it. He does not insinuate that the law has actually been broken, which would be a very serious violation of the judiciary's independence.
Now, let's give you a free primer in some law as well. There are two aspects to a case. The first is establishing what the law on a particular question is. The second is determining whether that law has actually been violated. In other words, there are two questions to be answered - a question of law, and a question of fact. Abdullah cannot comment on the question of fact - he cannot say that the law has actually been violated. That is a clear infringement of the barrier between the executive and judicial branches. It is difficult to say whether he can comment on what the law is, but let's assume he can't. But did he even comment on what the law is? Nope. All he did was state that there are laws, and these laws have to be followed - that they apply to the internet just as much as they apply in the real world. Tell me, what the hell is wrong with that?
Okay, let's consider a different issue. Some might conjecture that since the press specifically asked Abdullah to comment on the particulars of Jeff's and Rocky's case, his answer has to be such a comment, and is therefore sub judice. This seems to be an untenable position to me. If I ask you what the colour of the sky is and you respond that the colour of your shoes is black, can I accuse you of commenting on the colour of the sky? Of course not. Abdullah was asked to provide a specific comment on the case, but his response was a general one, targeted at "bloggers" and not "the bloggers" or "some bloggers". He did not issue a command to the courts or attempt to influence them, directly or indirectly. He simply said that the law applies to bloggers as well, which it does. So what is wrong with that?
I remain completely unconvinced that Abdullah has attempted to unduly influence the judiciary or that he made any comments about particular bloggers. His remarks were general in scope, and cannot be construed as undue influence.
Addendum
Two interesting comments about this article have arrived in my inbox within a few hours of its posting. One is from helen:
You did a very thorough analysis of the words used by our PM, I applaud your effort. I do not doubt your belief when you said our PM was not referring to the 2 bloggers in the middle of controversy.
We can breakdown the sentence and analyse word for word, but more importantly it is the grouping together of these words that paint the overall picture and the subsequent translation of the human mind that conveys the message.
Seriously, nobody knows for sure what was going through our PM's mind when he make the statement. Was he referring to the bloggers or bloggers?
In view of the fact it's still an ongoing case, our PM should be more careful with his choice of words. In the past, this had really not been much of an issue unlike in the West, where the politician is held accountable for every word that proceeds from their mouth and every word and sentence scrutinize.
I definitely agree that Pak Lah should be very careful in choosing his words, and that there should be greater scrutiny of his remarks. It is healthy and good that the blogosphere critically analyses his statements. Nevertheless, we reserve the right to point out what appear to be holes in the logic of analyses of Abdullah's comments.
I maintain, though, that these sort of comments would not provoke an uproar in other countries were a similar situation to take place there. Abdullah merely said that the law applies to bloggers - it's the sort of thing I think any head of government would say when asked for a remark on the case.
Another comment is from moo_t:
johnleemk, I must remind you that you may falling into darkside of doublespeaking. You just keep breaking the premier away from his executive position. In addition, try to dissociate him from RECENT incidents.
I'm not sure I can parse the language here, but if I'm not mistaken, the message is that Abdullah should not have said what he said because he is a member of the executive. Apparently his error was in saying anything at all about the law, because Prime Ministers should never make any comments that could even possibly be construed as related to an ongoing court case.
I disagree with this stand. As head of the government, the Prime Minister is in charge of enforcing the law of the land (that is, in case anyone's forgotten, the point of the executive branch). It seems ludicrous to forbid him from saying anything at all about the law.
I am not saying that Abdullah should comment on specifics of ongoing cases, nor should he be permitted to influence the judiciary implicitly or expressly through his comments. But if his comments do not attempt to pass judgement on an ongoing case and do not constitute undue influence, why muzzle him? Is it not his prerogative to state that the law applies to cyberspace? Isn't he the one who enforces and applies the law in the first place? It's ridiculous.
There are many good reasons to criticise Abdullah. He's been an incompetent and ineffective leader, and his actions often only serve to advance the interests of him and his cronies. But in this case, I remain completely unconvinced that he's done anything wrong. As head of the executive branch, he has the right to explain how he sees the law and how he intends to apply it, because it is the executive that enforces the law.
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kittykat46
Member Posts: 2 IP Logged | Posted at 9:22:13 am Jan 28, 2007
John, As a narrowly focused analysis of what the Star or NST reported of the PM's words, yes I agree with you. I don't think he specifically mentioned Rocky and Screenshots or the case. A sitting PM has the right to make broad based statements regarding the law and how it relates to the public. I have a much more serious concern regarding the PM's statement which goes beyond the narrow confines of the law on sub-judice. The Malaysian executive branch has a long and dishonorable history, going back more than 20 years, of pressuring the judiciary to toe the line on "sensitive" cases where the government has a keen expectation of what is an acceptable outcome. Judges who don’t comply have been subject to termination or transferred to Timbuktu (these two events are not mere hearsay – they were deliberately made very openly as an example to other judges.) At the very least , a judge who doesn’t comply can kiss goodbye to any opportunity for further advancement in the judicial system. Refer to what Tun Salleh Abbas and Tan Sri Harun Hashim have spoken and written on the judiciary after their retirement. In Britain and Australia, many judges are appointed from distinguished lawyers in private practice. Its considered a great honor to be invited to be a judge, but if he doesn’t like it, he can return to his original practice , where he can earn a lot more. So there is no way the governments there can apply pressure to a judge to rule one way or another. In any case if the there government tried anything like that, it would be kicked out very quickly. Almost all judges in Malaysia are life-long government servants who have no other career background. That kind of threat to their livelihood can be pretty effective if they don’t have that courage of their convictions So you can be sure the judge sitting on Rocky’s and Screenshot’s court case has received a VERY LOUD and CLEAR message from the PM what the executive branch’s view of the case is. What other covert pressure is being applied behind the scenes we can never know. I won’t pass any comment on the level of integrity of the Judge presiding on the cases, but I very much fear for Ahirudin Attan and Jeff Ooi’s ability to get an impartial trial after this statement from the PM. |
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freelunch2020
Member Posts: 17 IP Logged | Posted at 10:28:31 am Jan 28, 2007
hi john, productive weekend i see. u may be interested in nik nazmi's reply to your comment on anwar+pkr ---> Anwar & Keadilan repeating the same old opposition issues? I beg to differ. "At a point when UMNO is brandishing the Keris, Keadilan (a Malay majority party) has made some bold statements: going away with the NEP, promoting dialogue on religious issues even on thorny apostasy issues, etc. "Keadilan is promoting bridge-building and moving forward. Yes, obviously there are weaknesses, but in terms of what it's offering, its way better than the alternatives, from within and without government." FL: anyway, back to Abdullah's statement. Your analysis of his sentence structure and choice of words is correct. In my view, we need to evaluate it in the high-profile cases of NST vs Rocky (1) + Jeff (2). pls refer to the article below which CLEARLY STATES THAT BADAWI WAS REFERRING TO THE SUIT in para 4. LONDON, Jan 24 (Bernama) -- The government will not censor Malaysian bloggers on the Internet but they must be responsible for what they write, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said Tuesday. "We do not censor the Internet and that's our policy, but they (bloggers) must understand that there are also laws on defamation and sedition. "These laws are enforced. They should bear in mind that they cannot hide and they cannot take advantage of doing something against the law," he told Malaysian reporters here in his first comment on the country's growing number of online bloggers of late. He was responding to a question on the legal suits for alleged defamation filed by the New Straits Times newspaper and four of its senior executives against two popular blogs, Screenshots and Rocky's Bru. "The law is the law. They cannot hide and hope to be protected under some kind of a cover or whatever they think that they have," the Prime Minister said. [...] http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/printable.php?id=243016 this is further complicated by the fact that he is the president of UMNO, which holds a majority stake in NSTP. so, in my view it's clearly subjudice and unbecoming of a premier. i see the whole thing now as a backhanded attack on bloggers freedom of speech. Again, while we need to publish substantiated facts, we should not be penalised for calling the PM a dimwit or a sleepy head or even Rip van WINKLE... The PM has already made yet another statement (pls refer to MT) about all the negative views expressed on the internet. Apparently, he can't listen to all of them...but I see this as an excuse not to listen to public opinion. If he had said something like "Yes, I understand that there are some people who feel that I've been sleeping on the job and corrupt but I would like to assure you that these are based on false reports like X,Y, and Z. Here are evidence to show that they are in fact LIES." u know what i mean..... |
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johnleemk
Infernally Rambling Thoughtless Mind Head Administrator Posts: 949 IP Logged | Posted at 11:40:18 am Jan 28, 2007
I won’t pass any comment on the level of integrity of the Judge presiding on the cases, but I very much fear for Ahirudin Attan and Jeff Ooi’s ability to get an impartial trial after this statement from the PM.Truthfully, I don't think it matters one iota whether the isi tersirat (if there is any) of Pak Lah's comments got through to the judges. Our judiciary has already been corrupted, as you say, and even if Pak Lah had said nothing, I think it's quite obvious that the judiciary would know what way they were expected to rule. In my view, Pak Lah's comments are pretty harmless in the big picture, especially as they avoid a specific comment about "the bloggers", opting for the general "bloggers". u may be interested in nik nazmi's reply to your comment on anwar+pkr --->Yeah, I replied already (now you just have to approve it...hehe). pls refer to the article below which CLEARLY STATES THAT BADAWI WAS REFERRING TO THE SUIT in para 4.Well, as I said, the general nature of his answer appears to have been a dodge. Instead of commenting on the specifics of the suit, which would have been sub judice, he chose to speak about "bloggers" in general. As I wrote: Quoted from: Me so, in my view it's clearly subjudice and unbecoming of a premier.Maybe I'm just giving him too much leeway, but I think any other premier would have made similar comments along the lines of "Bloggers are not above the law" if asked to comment about a lawsuit against bloggers. The only reason I think Pak Lah is taking so much heat is that bloggers naturally are predisposed against him - something they can't be blamed for. Abdullah's main fault was being insufficiently clear in his comment, and apparently one-sided. This problem could have easily been rectified by him as AM Ubaidah S says: It would be far fairer of Pak Lah if he also added a comment in the lines of,”Traditional media also should take responsibility of their reporting, and responsible blogs then do have a role to play to check the excesses of such media, especially those with links to the establishment like the NST. Indeed traditional media like NSTP’s publications that are linked to the ruling party must set the standard in responsible reporting ahead of blogs as any poor reporting risks embarassing the government.” Nevertheless, I think we'd have a better chance of landing a Malaysian on Mars than getting Pak Lah to ever say something like that. i see the whole thing now as a backhanded attack on bloggers freedom of speech. Again, while we need to publish substantiated facts, we should not be penalised for calling the PM a dimwit or a sleepy head or even Rip van WINKLE...I don't recall Jeff or Rocky being sued for doing that...as a matter of fact, I think even Rocky's lawyers aren't sure what the basis of the suit is. The PM has already made yet another statement (pls refer to MT) about all the negative views expressed on the internet. Apparently, he can't listen to all of them...but I see this as an excuse not to listen to public opinion. Yeah, I read it, and I think that it is indeed an excuse to ignore public opinion. Still, considering that there are a fair number of unwarranted accusations out there... I really see this as a stupid issue that's taking up far too much of the public's time, especially in the blogosphere. It's quite possible the NSTP did this on purpose just to distract bloggers from more important issues, since we've gotten ourselves so worked up about the issue. The case, I personally think, is groundless - Jeff and Rocky have generally been responsible bloggers (factwise, at least). A fair judge would rule against the NSTP. Unfortunately, we don't have fair judges here...it's a real ugly mess. I think in the long run this will hurt the government more than it helps it, though. At the worst, they'll drive political bloggers underground - but they won't drive them out of business. Most people who have started political blogs have the dedication to go underground and act like the dissidents in Iran or China. A more likely eventuality is that though big shots will remain exposed to lawsuits, life will go on as normal for most bloggers. I still think it's stupid, though. The case against Jeff and Rocky seems pretty baseless. |
