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Ivy League Responds

Written by johnleemk on 9:04:16 am Apr 6, 2007.
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Finally, a little scandal to brighten up my dreary days. After the obscenity of Ivy League, Here I Come, liz wong writes:

"Ivy League students bitching about the Malaysian school system very often" + all your other rants of similar vein.

wow, you really do generalize. either that or your entire article was targeted at me and the other guy from harvard. because i looked through the recom pages that you kindly archived for your readers - and, um, there were only two ivy league students on the thread as far i can tell. i think i only posted two posts in the entire thread. can't say the same for the harvard guy, but his posts only made up one-eight of the thread, at most. so... what's with the generalizing? or do the both of us make up all the "ivy league students" that you seem so continually obsessed about?

i like how you rant the fact that other people use a specific experience of theirs and assume that it to be true for the entire population, yet you do the exact same thing too.

congrats on dartmouth! welcome to the ivies! join the crowd of elite snobbish privileged students...

Initially I thought I must have made a mistake somewhere, because I couldn't remember making much reference to Ivy Leaguers (and for the record, I'm well aware that there weren't many Ivy Leaguers in the original thread). Then I doubled back and looked, and lo and behold, it turns out that somehow I had written of "Ivy League students" a few times in reference to the original thread.

So, statement of correction/clarification: "Ivy League students" should actually be read as "Ivy League university-calibre students", because most of those in the thread, if I'm not mistaken, were the sort who are clearly able enough to attend a university of Ivy League calibre.

Looking back at the original article, as well as its sequel, after a few instances of "Ivy League students", I switched to more general terminology that emphasises the fact that most students who get into Ivy League-calibre universities in the first place hail from an atypical educational background.

It strikes me that the Recom thread alone may not provide enough context, so to clarify further, while idly Googling my name last year, I stumbled upon a blog written by someone who had stumbled on this website and its criticisms of the education system. The blog contained several not-too-subtle attacks on my arguments and my person (mainly the latter) by both the blogger and commentors, including at least one statement expressing the author's wish to, if I recall correctly, shove a Kilometrico ballpoint pen into my eyeballs.

This blog (and although I have no way of determining this, I also assume the comments on it) was penned by an alumnus from one of our elite public schools. It's since been deleted, but anyway since it was private, even if it was public, I wouldn't link to it out of respect for the author's wishes.

What's troubling is not that there are many good graduates from our elite local schools, or that these people have made it into the world's finest universities. What's troubling is that many of these people seem incapable of understanding that not everyone has had the same kind of opportunities as them.

Of course, you can't really blame the uninformed for not knowing of their ignorance. But these people had been informed, and they chose to respond with personal attacks rather than actually asking why someone would go to the trouble of writing a draft book criticising the Malaysian education system.

I didn't understand at the time why there was so much misunderstanding about the nature of my criticisms, but after I went to a college and mixed with alumni of elite schools, especially public ones, I began to better understand why there had been such an uproar at Recom about my remarks on the education system.

Many alumni of our elite public schools simply aren't aware that not all public schools are like theirs. This isn't malicious; it's just blissful, serendipitous ignorance. The students of private schools at least understand that because they went to a private school, the education they received isn't typical of Malaysian education, but alumni of elite public schools often seem to be under the impression that they have received roughly the same quality of education and opportunities as anyone else.

Did I generalise? I don't think so — and even if I did, that's why I penned a follow-up — to clear the air and make my perhaps originally unclear statements more precise and accurate.

Finally, I don't think I need a welcome to the elite, snobbish crowd, since I've always been excessively privileged compared to my counterparts. It's just that somehow, I've ended up straddling the line between the bourgeouisie and the proletariat, thanks to my extraordinarily strange upbringing (not many people can say they've been to both a private school with expatriates, and also to a public school with kampung kids).

And it irks me to see people take the things they have for granted. I don't have anything against the people of privilege — they're welcome to their riches. But they shouldn't subtly discriminate against the non-elite by assuming everyone has the same opportunies and experiences as them.


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johnleemk
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Posted at 12:01:56 pm Sep 10, 2005
Hey y'all...as some of you may or may not know, I have been writing a book about Malaysian schools, tentatively titled Why Your Kid Hates School. I've completed the first draft already, which I will not be making public (duh) as of this time.

However, I do have a preview of the fourth chapter online. I am particularly seeking feedback for this book, as it is very much anecdote-based. This means...I want you to send me your stories about your school life. Anything that sticks out in your memory may just be worth including in the book.

If I do decide to include your story in the book, you will be given credit in the acknowledgements, so get cracking! :p

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So I don't lose my mind keeping track of pertinent writings, I've decided to use this post to list helpful articles that I plan (or hope) to incorporate into my manuscript.

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Posted at 4:40:16 am Sep 24, 2005
I wouldn't be surprised
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Posted at 1:07:39 am Sep 28, 2005
haha!
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Posted at 3:30:54 am Jan 10, 2006
Say, ask me to copyedit your book when you're done. Or let us give you input (you can delete the files later). Because for one, there needs to be more buildup in the punchlines (although it seems mainly an reform advocacy book, of couse).

I suppose Singaporean school experiences can't contribute much.
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Posted at 11:38:48 pm Apr 14, 2007
Your kids hate school probably for nearly the same reason you hate your office.

Although I must say, where western unis are concerned, with all the drinking and shagging, isn't really a hated institution.

Anyway, here's an anecdote:

Three dudes (well a dude and two girls) were real devout SDA(Sevent Day Adventists. They WILL freak liberals out with their clean, Mormonish, caffeine-less, alcohol-less existence) adherents. They probably are so devouted as a reaction against the oppressive environment of the traditional Malay boarding school Islamisation. I was there and I clearly remember how I was just as motivated to go to church every week and sing my heart out during gatherings.

But that's not the point. See we had a paper on a saturday, and the SDA dudes revere saturday as the Sabbath like the Jews, and observe them in the same manner as well, that is weighing your a** down on a chair without manual labour for the whole day. Okay that was potentially offensive.

So they objected to taking the said exam on that day and voiced their concerns with The Man. The Man's reaction: to go over their heads and ask their parents, who subsequently gave consent.

They stood their ground and didn't graduate, which was a big deal, because the boarding school in question is given privileges where government sponsorships are concerned (wonder not why I'm 18,000 miles away from our fair land).

Now, apart from the very fact of religious non-accommodation, the biggest gripe I have with this event was the weight given to parental consent. Parents, with all due respect (I love you mom), do not own us and for issues such as these I think the student should be given full authority to exercise their own judgement. We keep being told that "when you get to university, you'll have all the freedom to do <<insert activity here>>", and this can be extrapolated simply by substituting "university" with some other stage in life.

Hence the sense of invidualism and responsibilty keeps getting postponed, and Malaysians essentially turn up to be adult-sized children.

And that's it.

I also have an anecdote about a teacher who likes to knee our balls (we reciprocate) and tell of alleged dalliances with your mom (we reciprocate) if that helps.

cheers
johnleemk
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Posted at 5:31:33 am Apr 15, 2007
Hence the sense of invidualism and responsibilty keeps getting postponed, and Malaysians essentially turn up to be adult-sized children.

Indeed. When we grow up, our parent becomes the state - and unlike Singapore, our government isn't even competent at being a nanny state.

I also have an anecdote about a teacher who likes to knee our balls (we reciprocate) and tell of alleged dalliances with your mom (we reciprocate) if that helps.

Sure. I haven't been doing much work on this for a long while, but I've been filing away relevant items for when I plan to start writing again. Feel free to email me or post a comment here.


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