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Absence of Evidence is Not Evidence of Absence?

Written by johnleemk on 1:19:51 pm Jun 6, 2007.
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A common retort of theists when their faith in God is challenged is to resort to witty-sounding aphorisms. One common saying which arises when an atheist brings up the lack of proof for God is, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

This is of course completely true. However, a lack of evidence very clearly indicates that the hypothesis that God exists should be rejected, because the burden of proof is on he who makes the claim that God exists.

Some theists twist this around, citing some extreme atheists who assert that God does not exist, and arguing that the burden of proof thus lies on atheists to prove their claim.

This is correct, but it confuses and conflates two things. It assumes that the assertion "God does not exist" is the same thing as rejecting the assertion "God exists".

One might find it odd to be in logical limbo — how can someone reject both the claim that God exists and the claim that God does not exist? However, from a logician's point of view, this is a perfectly sensible situation to be in.

After all, there is no evidence to prove that God exists or does not exist. Thus, because there is no evidence for either hypothesis, both must be rejected.

When there is no solid evidence in favour of two diamterically opposed claims, then, how do we know what to believe? This is why there are so many agnostics and "soft" atheists out there — because they believe there might be a God, but don't believe in Him at the moment because they have not seen evidence of his existence.

One might bring up Pascal's wager — that it is better to believe in God than to disbelieve, because the former raises your chances of salvation if there is an afterlife. Believing in any God would increase the probability of a desirable outcome.

However, all this talk of logic and probability is utterly pointless when it comes to the question of God. The reason is simple — the concept of God exists outside the bounds of normal logic.

No matter how you phrase it, any hypothesis related to God cannot be disproven. The element of falsifiability is crucial for any hypothesis to be proved empiricallly.

Religion and God are matters of faith, not logic. Attempting to inject the idea of God into logical discourse does both faith and logic a huge disservice, because these are two realms which axiomatically cannot meet.


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No Eggs
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Posted at 10:28:08 am May 9, 2007
Do you believe in Zeus?
Do you believe in Yahweh?
Do you believe in Allah?
Are they the same as the Christian God?
What makes your God the one, and not theirs?

So which Gods' existences are we trying to prove?

If God is an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being, can i say this "Can omniscient God, who knows the future, find the omnipotence to change his mind?"?
The hypothesis you mentioned contradicts itself.
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johnleemk
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Posted at 10:40:32 am May 9, 2007
Do you believe in Zeus?

Do you believe in Yahweh?

Do you believe in Allah?

Are they the same as the Christian God?

What makes your God the one, and not theirs?

The article is about "God" in general (i.e. the God often referred to by general statements like "one nation under God" or "kepercayaan kepada Tuhan", not a specific God, so what's the point of these questions? For the record, yes, I personally believe in the Christian God alone, but there's no point in debating this because there is no logical way to prove He is superior or that He exists and the others do not - that was the whole point of the article.

If God is an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being, can i say this "Can omniscient God, who knows the future, find the omnipotence to change his mind?"?

The hypothesis you mentioned contradicts itself.

This isn't exactly a new idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Also, what you are saying basically supports the point of the article: that the very concept of God exists outside the boundaries of normal logic and thus any attempt to prove or disprove it is futile.
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Posted at 11:03:31 am May 10, 2007
Quoted from: johnleemk

The article is about "God" in general (i.e. the God often referred to by general statements like "one nation under God" or "kepercayaan kepada Tuhan", not a specific God, so what's the point of these questions? For the record, yes, I personally believe in the Christian God alone, but there's no point in debating this because there is no logical way to prove He is superior or that He exists and the others do not - that was the whole point of the article.

I was just wondering to which God you were reffering to

Quoted from: johnleemk

This isn't exactly a new idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Also, what you are saying basically supports the point of the article: that the very concept of God exists outside the boundaries of normal logic and thus any attempt to prove or disprove it is futile.

So, defining God as an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being, isn't right, I think I like 'God exists outside the boundaries of normal logic' better.
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Posted at 9:17:50 pm May 22, 2007
Yeap. The only rational answer within our logical framework is "I don't know".

The agnostics have got it right.

cheers
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Posted at 11:20:13 pm May 31, 2007
Meaningful beliefs or findings must be "falsifiable". The burden of proof also lies on the person who makes the positive claim.

If you assert that X is true, then there must be a claim Y such that if Y were true, then X would be false.

For example, if I assert that this pen is blue (X):

You can make a claim "the pen is yellow" (Y). Now if Y were indeed true, then my assertion X is false.

Any statement that cannot be falsified is essentially meaningless. If I tell you that I have an Invisible Pink Unicorn, then what claims could you make to make my assertion untrue?

What if you say "it's invisible, you can't say it's pink"
- then I reply "It tells me it is pink, and it always tells the truth. You can't prove it doesnt"?

What if you say "it's invisible, but I should be able to touch it"
- then I reply "Oh, it's also incorporeal, and it can only be touched by people who believe in it. You can't prove this is not true"?

What if you say "There are no other IPUs in the universe, therefore you are lying"
- then I reply "You don't know everything about the universe, so you cannot make this claim"?

As shown above, any statement rooted in reality MUST be falsifiable to have meaning. Also, the one who makes the positive claim has the burden of proof.

It is not up to us to disprove God - it is up to the people who believe in that God to prove his existence, and additionally to provide proof of God's falsifiability.




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