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bush
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......what a sad child.......no offense....he might one day come out proclaiming himself to be the messiah or end up being someone successful....
Frankly speaking, I believe that he is both well-informed and misinformed in many areas. I think he is just too anger to grow up, too eager to tell everyone how he feels about everything, too eager to show that he knows the 'stuff'.
Probably because of his behaviour which made him someone without friends. I mean how many of us actually bother to spend so much time editing online articles when we were 15 or younger, we would most probably be lepaking around experiencing life.
I can't understand why he is so damn anti melayu, benci all things melayu, this is where I find him too narrow and immature. |
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naoj
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Tres interessant!
I will post more when I get away from the curse of final exams...ugh. Someone should invite the guy here so he'll stop posting on collegeconfidential and post here where interested and more informed people can give his our views seeing as he IS getting mixed reviews.
But for now, a bientot!
Sorry, my final tomorrow is french, hehe, if u haven't already figured out by now. I studied too much in too little time, now i keep thinking in french in bad grammar. |
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jiinjoo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bush wrote: | | Probably because of his behaviour which made him someone without friends. I mean how many of us actually bother to spend so much time editing online articles when we were 15 or younger, we would most probably be lepaking around experiencing life. |
Looking on the bright side, it would be great if someone more mature knows how to capitalize on this kind of youth exuberence though. I do agree that he needs more exposure to the world, but I think one can achieve that by just doing - not just wikiing every thoughts, but going out there and fixing the problems he is facing. One might be potent in words, but until he taste the bitterness of trying to get his ideas to materialize, he will continue to live in dreamland.
After reading a little bit more, the only thing I would give him credit for is his mastery of English. Compared to my peers in my high school, he's no more mature than most of us at the age of 15. But then I think different people get different things at different age. |
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bush
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to agree.... |
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gonjeng
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jinjoo is correct in his mastery of english... at that young age, heck most of my friends and i were bad with english. but heh, my english suxx until the 2nd semester im here in states, where i have no other choice than improving it.
| Quote: | he's destroying our country's image just like the police abuse case? please. all he's seeking is equality in a land he was born. Why should you be patriotic to a country that treats you like a second class citizen?
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there's nothing wrong with being ambitious and asking to be treated fairly. |
now please enlighten me on how complaining about the crappiness of the system in that particular forum can be said as to seek equality, etc.? far more to ask to be treated fairly. unless and only unless it is a forum where ppl talk about such stuff all around the globe (correct me if im wrong in my assumption about the forum), why bring the issue up on the wrong table? if it is a forum similar to what we have in recom, im totally fine with it.
plus, let say in your extended family, there's an issue which pisses you off. you tried many things to change it, but nothing significant happen. are you gonna tell your neighbours, the ppl in the community, or all over the place that your family suxx??? personally, i wont. i believe that if the issue is within my family, let it be contained within the family. it does not, should not and will not be concern by outsiders. neither do i think that any of my family members should make a press conference out of it, as it will bring more harm than good... why? because the instance you go out to do sth, ppl may have profiled or generalized you that since you come from a crappy family, generally you suxx...
bringing the above example into the discussion, i dont think any of us should let ppl of the globe that malaysian education suxx, that malaysian graduates dont know shit, etc. first you are undermining the good malaysian graduates. secondly, the image of not just the country, but the citizens themselves are tarnished. when the idiot noh made that idiotic comment, how many malaysians overseas feel ashamed? same thing here... there are many more reasons why, i dont think i have to list them all down...
dont get me wrong, i fully acknowledge that racism exists in the system and i fully agree that it has to be stopped or corrected someway or the other. i am also fully aware of the bitterness, etc. that some may feel because of the system - ive read a lot of it here, in recom. but i dont agree in using the means to justify the method...
one can be patriotic or otherwise, i could care less. but just because one hates the system, doesnt mean one should make make it worse...
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oneforthelord
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| bush wrote: | Probably because of his behaviour which made him someone without friends. I mean how many of us actually bother to spend so much time editing online articles when we were 15 or younger, we would most probably be lepaking around experiencing life.
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Hey, that's uncalled for. Unless you know him personally and can testify that he has no friends then you shouldn't state such a nasty statement. Besides, editing online articles is a valid way of experiencing life. Ever heard of something called "interest" and "passion"? Honestly speaking, lepaking around is much less marketable than editing online articles which are accessed by millions of users. Imagine an interview:
Boss: Why should I hire you? What have you accomplished?
Applicant: I was the champion lepak-er in my school!
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Boss: Why should I hire you? What have you accomplished?
Him: I have personally contributed and edited many articles on wikipedia which is read by millions of users.
Which sounds more marketable to you? |
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bush
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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regrading the friends.....he said it from his own mouth.....in college confidential....
I was speaking about his general behaviour, it is not a common thing for people at his age to do such things, such as bashing melayu and all things melayu, idolising Mr Harry Lee etc. That most likely explains why he doesn't have many friends. |
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masdie
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The way I see it, he had followed our flawed M'sian education system up to Form 3, and he developed critical thinking at a tender age, doesn't this show that our flawed system is indeed flawed (because not many develop such a skill) but it's not totally f u c ked up (because there are still m'sians who can use their brain, who are not idiots, just like himself, Nick Khaw, Naoj and all other people on ReCom *sorry I don't have the time to write down all recommers nicknames here) Anyone backing me up for this?
I wonder what made him so different from other 15-year-old M'sians? Did he tell his parents that he wants to drop out of school after PMR? And did they approve of his actions? |
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paradox_equation
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| Quote: | | The way I see it, he had followed our flawed M'sian education system up to Form 3, and he developed critical thinking at a tender age, doesn't this show that our flawed system is indeed flawed (because not many develop such a skill) but it's not totally f u c ked up (because there are still m'sians who can use their brain, who are not idiots, just like himself, Nick Khaw, Naoj and all other people on ReCom *sorry I don't have the time to write down all recommers nicknames here) Anyone backing me up for this? |
nooooo, i seriously don't agree with this. how many members does recom have? how many members actually post? and, btw, being interested in national issues is not tantamount to "developing critical thinking". i've seen and read and heard enough ad hominem attacks in forums, newspapers, debates..you get the idea. as naoj said before, most malaysians just accept rhetoric because it's impressive and fluently declaimed. that is clearly NOT critical thinking.
| Quote: | Probably because of his behaviour which made him someone without friends. I mean how many of us actually bother to spend so much time editing online articles when we were 15 or younger, we would most probably be lepaking around experiencing life.
I can't understand why he is so damn anti melayu, benci all things melayu, this is where I find him too narrow and immature. |
dude, it's called passion and interest.
you can't understand why? well..let me just say that there are lots of people who feel that way too. especially if you're from the older generation, and if you've done business (as in, buying and selling), been in government service, or seen people waving keris-es and what not. it's not healthy, but it exists. i personally don't condone such things, i'd rather they spend the energy on effecting change instead of bashing people, but what do i know? perhaps some people have tried to change things, but were never successful in doing so. hence the bitterness and frustration. he probably has heard such stories as well.
if we really want to do something substantial, let's invite him to recom for a good debate (which, in my experience, will unfortunately turn into a lot of ad hominem attacks. hopefully not.). and let's work WITH him, not against him. with luck, we might be able to give him a more balanced view of our country. a 15 year old with a voice is called potential. bashing him now will not help him, nor us. |
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digimushu
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| Quote: | | ...so much time editing online articles when we were 15 or younger, we would most probably be lepaking around experiencing life. |
There is so much more to do in high school than editing online articles. Plus, for people as old as me, when i was 15, internet was a luxury. There are many ways of getting by the system in M'sia. Education does not have to be happening in the classroom. Our whole life experience is shaped by our interations and books are not the only way to learn.
People like me prefer to spend my time in high school doing extracurricular activities. It is funny how such an anomalous case like him exists, where an individual actually realizes the flaws in the system and so dumps it totally. However, the world does not have to go your way all the time, and you cannot run from a problem when it is staring at you in the face.
When my sejarah teacher shot down my points in the exam because of a few measly words(i usually never study for that garbage course), instead of being resentful and not studying for it ever again, i memorized the entirebook and quoted the damn thing line by line in the exam. There are many ways of proving your intellectual prowess.
Running away isnt. But it is his choice, and i respect that. The kid got balls, at his age, he probably has more balls than our MPs. |
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gonjeng
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| Quote: | | Running away isnt. But it is his choice, and i respect that. The kid got balls, at his age, he probably has more balls than our MPs. |
damn... literally speaking, how many balls can one have? i thought the max number (which also the mean value) is two. well, unless if you are implying that our MP's have less than two 
heh... im just bored to death yet have another 20 more pages to go... |
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naoj
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| i dropped him a note on CC to ask him to come over here and check recom out, dunno if he will. another 30 chapters to go before 5pm tomorrow *sob* |
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kimsiang
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| digimushu wrote: |
There is so much more to do in high school than editing online articles. Plus, for people as old as me, when i was 15, internet was a luxury. There are many ways of getting by the system in M'sia. Education does not have to be happening in the classroom. Our whole life experience is shaped by our interations and books are not the only way to learn.
People like me prefer to spend my time in high school doing extracurricular activities. It is funny how such an anomalous case like him exists, where an individual actually realizes the flaws in the system and so dumps it totally. However, the world does not have to go your way all the time, and you cannot run from a problem when it is staring at you in the face.
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Yeah,i agree with u on that.Besides doing something alone(editing articles),1 should socialize more with other people.
But for his case, i think we have to think about his family.In my opinion,i think he is juz merely a "product" of globalization,modernization,computerization,all -tion -tion -tion.
At the age of 15,would your mum let you online all the time surfing internet?or she will ask you go to tuition and study in your own room?etc.etc.etc....i dont know about his parents,but i think that they may have the same opinion as their son having now.
Beginning from here,i will talk about my opinion about education part.Do you think that there exist an education system that dont have any flaw?or contain less flaw?or some system is better than other system?
I dont think so.Every system has its own points,and is closely related to local religions,cultures. And,every people,ethnic in this world has its own contribution to this world.
For example,many seniors(or juniors) who are studying (studied) in US may think that education system there teach them how to think creatively,criticially,etc.And,think that system in Malaysia doenst train its ppl how to think.Instead of doing that,alwaz force students to memorize. Ya,i agree partially on that but then,i think memory is the base for you to think.
I believe that many people hate history,geography because its hard to memorize.But then,i found it helps me a lot n improve my speed n interest of learning something.And i am still studying more n more in university.[juz example,coz there r stil many other subjects]
If you are top student,you may think that system in malaysia is full of flaws.But,please look at the average n below average student[under malaysian system]
Not everybody hv the ability to think critically,n of coz,not everybody is good at memorizing.So,under either system,there wil be excellent,average,n poor student.Dun u think so?
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in short,my conclusion is,
For normal ppl,instaed of blaming our educational system,think yrself how to benefit from it.
For gifted 1,
if u wan to stay in malaysia,u shd hv no problem academically.Pls use yr time to help those who need.It may mean nothing for u,but it means a lot for them.
if u r like that 15yrs old guy,
contact him n be fren with him.
correct me if i m wrong both grammatically n contextually.Thanks
last thing:while i m keeping promoting Malaysia here,he is doing the opposite........  |
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youngyew
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Haha, with some of the negative comments here, I wonder if he finds it encouraging to post anything here.
Well, I would say that he's relatively brilliant and well-informed, compared to most of the 15-year-old around us... If I were a 15-year-old, I wouldn't have had the knowledge required to edit Wikipedia. Even now I find that I am not totally confident when it comes to editing Wikipedia.
However, great results (evidenced by his SAT scores etc) sometimes bring sense of accomplishment or even sense of greatness. I must admit that I used to be aloof and arrogant, when I won a challenging interstate mathematical competition, beating standard 6 students when I was in standard 5. My sister's comment that the competition questions were equivalent to PMR standard helped boost my pride even more. The arrogance spawns a condescending attitude in me - I felt that I was the most mature, most brilliant, most creative 11-year-old out there. I sometimes even extend that further, dreaming that I could be the best 11-year-old that ever lived. While reading writings published in magazines, instead of appreciating the beauty of their languages, what dawned upon my mind was always "I could write this sentence in a better way".
As I grew up and ate humble pies, I believed that my arrogance have worn off with age. But watching the juniors around me, I find that many "prodigies" or "smart kids" are going through the same cycle - becoming arrogant, having few friends, indulging in sense of greatness. Of course not everyone is like this, and neither am I saying that John must be another adolescent like that; but I find that having such mentality is kinda natural for those who's basked in pride without being taught the right way to live with achievements. So instead of condemning their attitude, we should be empathic - put ourselves in their shoes. Everyone grows up, and one can't be the best in anything forever. And what we could do is to teach arrogant kids the way to be humble. Well we might say that modesty can't be faked, but at least we could cultivate it.
Yesterday night I watched "A Beautiful Mind"... A sad story about a genius who wanted to be the best genius that ever lived. It kinda struck a chord in me. I would urge everyone to watch it, but I digressed. |
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kimsiang
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| youngyew wrote: | | Yesterday night I watched "A Beautiful Mind"... A sad story about a genius who wanted to be the best genius that ever lived. It kinda struck a chord in me. I would urge everyone to watch it, but I digressed. |
yeah yeah,i watched it too recently.Recommend it .It is the story about John Nash(US mathematician),a nobel prize(1994) winner in economics for his contribution in analysis of equilibria in the theory of non-cooperative games.....
another movie,I.Q.(1994).Juz watch it yesterday.A comedy.the story:Albert Einstein helps a young man who's in love with Einstein's niece to catch her attention by pretending temporarily to be a great physicist.
oups!!,out of topic........tata.. |
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